Comments on: On the manipulation of the Male mindset by archaic notions of gentility. http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:28:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.9 by: nemesis http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-12 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-12 well... that only holds true in situations where there are equal, or close to equal, numbers of men and women. what of an apartment inhabited by three woman. should their male guests not put down the toilet seat, seeing as they do not live there? well… that only holds true in situations where there are equal, or close to equal, numbers of men and women. what of an apartment inhabited by three woman. should their male guests not put down the toilet seat, seeing as they do not live there?

]]> by: jer http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-13 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-13 see, that <b>seems</b> to make sense, out of politeness and all, until you consider that the guy, being in an apartment of women, had to PUT THE SEAT UP before useing the toilet. thus his one action is balanced by the reaction of the next female to use the bathroom in the form of putting the seat DOWN. All is then equal and egalitarian. it is rude but fair. which is paramount? see, that seems to make sense, out of politeness and all, until you consider that the guy, being in an apartment of women, had to PUT THE SEAT UP before useing the toilet. thus his one action is balanced by the reaction of the next female to use the bathroom in the form of putting the seat DOWN. All is then equal and egalitarian.

it is rude but fair. which is paramount?

]]> by: Kat http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-14 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-14 Why don't guys just pee sitting down? Or pee with the seat down and not spill all over it? Or if they do, wipe it off? Do toilet seats really need to go up? Is it that much harder to be accurate with the 2" loss of diameter? I'm so confused. Kat Why don’t guys just pee sitting down? Or pee with the seat down and not spill all over it? Or if they do, wipe it off?

Do toilet seats really need to go up? Is it that much harder to be accurate with the 2″ loss of diameter?

I’m so confused.

Kat

]]> by: Magnus (OverTilt) http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-15 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-15 If the toilet seat is supposed to have a default position, it should be UP! Explained: This is to ensure that when a male specimen urinates, he/it does not befoul the seat of the porcelain drain while "draining his/its dragon", to put it in layman's terms. OR! OR! Maybe I'm just stupid and should be shot. ^_^ If the toilet seat is supposed to have a default position, it should be UP!

Explained:
This is to ensure that when a male specimen urinates, he/it does not befoul the seat of the porcelain drain while “draining his/its dragon”, to put it in layman’s terms.

OR! OR! Maybe I’m just stupid and should be shot. ^_^

]]> by: Gary http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-16 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-16 Jer's comments are commandable in this area. Women fought for many years (and still do in many, and probably all, countries) to be treated equal to men. The movement to movement argument holds water and I think is just. This debate also opens a much wider discussion about modern western society where I have noticed that women are very often treated as being superior to men. It has been drilled into men and women since birth that women are not at all lesser than men. This creates a situation where it is socially unaceptable for men to pronounce their superiority to women in any area whilst women are happy to pronounce their superiority. For example: ask any women who is smarter, men or women? With little or no hesitation the answer is declared: women are smarter in every way! Ask a man the same question and he will take some time to show that he is deliberating the question carefully before deciding they are probably equal and each have certain strengths in different areas. I bet the guy doesnt really think that though, and if he does, was he preconditioned to answer so? Jer’s comments are commandable in this area. Women fought for many years (and still do in many, and probably all, countries) to be treated equal to men. The movement to movement argument holds water and I think is just. This debate also opens a much wider discussion about modern western society where I have noticed that women are very often treated as being superior to men. It has been drilled into men and women since birth that women are not at all lesser than men. This creates a situation where it is socially unaceptable for men to pronounce their superiority to women in any area whilst women are happy to pronounce their superiority. For example: ask any women who is smarter, men or women? With little or no hesitation the answer is declared: women are smarter in every way! Ask a man the same question and he will take some time to show that he is deliberating the question carefully before deciding they are probably equal and each have certain strengths in different areas. I bet the guy doesnt really think that though, and if he does, was he preconditioned to answer so?

]]> by: Betsy http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-17 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-17 I don't know about your toilet, but mine usually has gross spots of condensed pee splashes both underneath the raisable seat and on the permanent porcelain rim. The splashed pee results from both male and female peeing, I think. We put the raisable seat down at our house because we don't like looking at the under-rim. Here's an idea -- how about the everyone, male and female, putting down the lid itself after they've flushed. That would prevent any possibility of falling in by anyone, no matter how distracted or tiny, and everyone would have to pick something up before they used the toilet. I don’t know about your toilet, but mine usually has gross spots of condensed pee splashes both underneath the raisable seat and on the permanent porcelain rim. The splashed pee results from both male and female peeing, I think. We put the raisable seat down at our house because we don’t like looking at the under-rim.
Here’s an idea — how about the everyone, male and female, putting down the lid itself after they’ve flushed. That would prevent any possibility of falling in by anyone, no matter how distracted or tiny, and everyone would have to pick something up before they used the toilet.

]]> by: Dan http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-18 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-18 The only rational way to handle this matter is for each user to close both the SEAT and the LID. Everyone has to open it to their likeing and then close it all. Equal work. Also - a toilet with a closed seat and lid is much tidier looking. The only rational way to handle this matter is for each user to close both the SEAT and the LID. Everyone has to open it to their likeing and then close it all. Equal work.

Also - a toilet with a closed seat and lid is much tidier looking.

]]> by: jer http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-19 Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://simianuprising.com/2004/01/22/on-the-manipulation-of-the-male-mindset-by-archaic-notions-of-gentility/#comment-19 this whole notion of just putting the whole toilet back together every time we use it is just totally insane to me. it's like saying that because women menstruate and men do not that TO BE FAIR men should splash some blue liquid on their undies and punch themselves in the stomach once a month just so that they dont' have an advantage in the workplace. i mean really, the answer, when faced with a problem where one group complains about unfair work distribution vis a vis another group is NOT to create a NEW job and force them all to do it. that would be counter-productive and obnoxious. also, the argument from neatness is at least cogent, but fails to sway me because i have never felt there to be unreasonable filthyness on the toilet itself, and to me what looks good is what works (and what i don't have to bend down to use). this whole notion of just putting the whole toilet back together every time we use it is just totally insane to me.

it’s like saying that because women menstruate and men do not that TO BE FAIR men should splash some blue liquid on their undies and punch themselves in the stomach once a month just so that they dont’ have an advantage in the workplace.

i mean really, the answer, when faced with a problem where one group complains about unfair work distribution vis a vis another group is NOT to create a NEW job and force them all to do it. that would be counter-productive and obnoxious.

also, the argument from neatness is at least cogent, but fails to sway me because i have never felt there to be unreasonable filthyness on the toilet itself, and to me what looks good is what works (and what i don’t have to bend down to use).

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